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Stories That Change Us
A lively discussion between four friends and authors as they breakdown the most popular fiction from the last century. Join us as we identify the key aspects of storytelling, character development, and social analysis that have caused these stories to resonate through the decades and, in doing so, help novice and seasoned writers craft bestselling fiction of their own.
Stories That Change Us
Episode 4: The Princess Bride by William Goldman
Eccentric yet unforgettable characters, hilarious banter that just won't quit, and true love (or twu wuv!) are just a few of the things that make William Goldman's, The Princess Bride, a delightful fare. Join the discussion as we analyze the wit, the warmth, and the way that Goldman enchanted audiences with this odd yet stirring bestseller.
Moderated By: Micah Leydorf
Question: what is a story that has changed your life?
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Welcome to the Stories That Change Us podcast. I'm Micah Leidorf, and I am here with my writer friends, Laurel Thomas, Kat Lewis, Melissa Grace. And on this fifth episode, we are talking about everybody's favorite, the Princess Bride. Now, the Princess Bride is a little bit different because The movie adaptation was vastly more popular than the book, but I mean, a lot of us may not even known. Oh, wait, that was a real book, right?
Kat:Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's a little bit of an interesting story because it's kind of, not only is it, oh, wait, there's a real book, but then the book is a pretend adaptation of a longer book that's actually fictional, so it gets a little bit convoluted, but I've loved the book, I mean, I've loved the movie forever, and I've never read the book, so this was my first time to read it. How about you guys? Same.
Melissa:Same. Yes.
Micah:Okay, so none of us had actually read the book before. No. Okay, well, what were your first impressions?
Kat:I mean, I walked into this with a distinct feeling of dread because I remember, somebody distinctly telling me that the Princess Bride is boring. And once I, once I kind of acclimated myself, I actually thought that I was reading the wrong book. For the first like 15 pages because there's so much story set up of, you know, like the author and he was never impressive in school and then he writes this book and this was the book that his dad was reading I legit was like, did I freaking buy the wrong, this is a 25 dollar incorrect copy.
Micah:And well, you can't believe everything everybody tells you, especially when they say something's boring. It reminds me of those one star reviews of like the Grand Canyon or, you know, it's like, really? Like they thought the Princess Bride was boring? What did they want? Seriously, seriously. How about you, Laurel? What were your first impressions?
Laurel:Well, from a novelist's point of view, I thought, this is tropey, tropey, tropey.
Micah:Oh my goodness.
Laurel:Yay, because tropes are good. And he's like unashamed with his tropes.
Kat:Just throwing them in there.
Laurel:Oh, it's just so lovely. The more the better.
Micah:Okay, Laurel, you're using some literary jargon there. For our non writer listeners, can you tell us what is a trope?
Laurel:So a trope is like a universal. It's a, it's a universal emotional appeal. So, you know, the dashing young man who lays down his life for a damsel in distress, that's a trope. Like, um, and Fezzik, you know, the giant. Well, we love him, but why do we love him? Because he's a trope. He is a big guy who doesn't think that he has a brain and he ends up saving the day. And you know, they're, they're fun, but as many as you can get into your novel, it brings a universal emotional appeal.
Micah:Awesome. Well, thank you for explaining that. Part of what we do here at Stories That Change Us is we kind of dissect these stories that we love. We have this visceral attraction, right, to Princess Bride. I mean, I love that, it's, there's something for everyone, right? Like, I think it's great. My girlfriends think it's great. But I can show it to my, like, my little eight and Seven year old boys and they love it. And now they're 17 and 18 and they still love it. So it's great to like kind of dissect and find out, okay, what exactly is it about these stories that is appealing to us? So, you Melissa have not yet shared your first impressions. We got Kat's and Laurel's but how about you Melissa?
Melissa:I had just a little minute where I was like, okay, are Florin and Guilder Are they real?
Kat:Oh, my gosh.
Micah:You're probably not the only one, but it's brave of you to admit it
Melissa:was like, you know, there are little countries in Europe. that I'm unfamiliar with It was just, it was just a flash. It was just, it was there. I have to admit, it was there.
Kat:In your defense, Melissa, the author really does kind of prep you like, you know, talking about like, this is a fictional retelling of an actual fiction story that some, you know, Slavic author wrote. I really was like. I need to go back and look at my European maps from like the 1950s.
Laurel:Well and you don't read fantasy much.
Melissa:No, I don't.
Micah:Yeah.
Laurel:Because it has, you know. That's right. Fantasy has a feel.
Melissa:I'm very easy to fool. Good to know.
Micah:Good to know. I feel like that's part of the appeal. I feel like it's like, oh, okay, it's tongue in cheek. We're not really sure which parts we're supposed to take seriously and which parts he's like, Laughing with us. It's that's part of the fun of it, right?
Kat:Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Laurel:Whimsical.
Micah:Yes. Yes. It's very whimsical. It's very whimsical. Well, here at Stories That Change Us we do like to have our few questions we ask every week and the first one of those is for favorite quotes. Now, okay, my goodness, like pretty much a lot of us probably can quote the entire Princess Bride practically, so the whole movie is like, or the whole movie, I say movie, the whole book is like the movie, so quotable. So I'm, I'm curious to see if we have any repeats. You want to go first, Laurel?
Laurel:I do. Okay. So this is not highly original, but it comes with a very sweet story. So the whole as you wish. So when...when you write, uh, romance, it's nice to have, like, a little phrase, a catchphrase that is very unique and personal to that love story. So, my husband and I were going through a really hard time. I cannot remember what it was, but it was terrible. And he looked at me one morning and he said, if you run away, take me with you. I told him, I was like, it's going to show up in a story. Because it was like that. Okay. He could have said, I love you. Don't run away. But. But the way he said that was a little, it's become like a little catchphrase for us that it shows not only the depth of his love and, and that, you know, it's enduring love and that, you know, even if I run, he will come with me. So I think the whole, as you wish, repeated over and over is, is a really, it's a literary device.
Micah:It's very clever.
Laurel:It's very, catchy, but it also communicates a lot. Okay.
Micah:All right. Kat can you beat that? I mean, she's got the sweet story in there.
Kat:I know. I know. Man.
Micah:What was your favorite?
Kat:Don't, don't put so much pressure on me. So if we're looking at a quote that, either like reveals like author's voice or character development, I, this whole book is quotable. Like, I had to really stop myself when we finally got into the story. I really had to stop myself from just like writing down all these little zingers because, Goldman is so, so great about. Finding the different way to express love or displeasure or sass, it just ripples through the book. But the quote that stood out to me as far as a great example of this author's voice is, this is towards the very beginning of the book when Buttercup is walking through the village and she's trying to figure out. The village girls just like eminent dislike of her,. And finally, she goes up to one of the girls and she's like, Hey, what's the deal? We used to at least be courteous, but now like you guys are rude. And the girl's response was something to the effect of, you've taken all of their attention. And Buttercup replies with this. She said,"I don't need her to explain who them is. Them is the boys, the village boys. The beef witted, feather brained, rattle skulled, clawed pated, dim domed, Noodle Noggin, Saff Headed, Lunk Knobbed Boys". And I loved that because I was like, if you didn't know what kind of ride you were in for in this novel, I thought that that quote was an awesome example of the author's voice. And he's like, If you thought this was a serious love story. Oh, oh, oh, contraire, right? Like, buckle up.
Micah:Okay. Well, I guess we didn't need to worry about having the same quote as that. I don't, I don't think I know.
Kat:That's not one of the top 10.
Micah:Needless fear, needless fear. Okay, Melissa, how about you?
Melissa:Mine is kind of obscure also because I love when, when writers, screenwriters on our TV shows, you know, police procedurals or whatever, when you can very efficiently develop character and, Buttercup's parents. I feel like he developed Buttercup's parents just so, beginning of a chapter."Quick, quick, come! Buttercup's father stood in his farmhouse staring out the window. Why? This from the mother. She gave away nothing when it came to obedience. The father made a quick finger point. Look, you look, you know how. Buttercup's parents did not have exactly what you might call a happy marriage. All they ever dreamed of was leaving each other". So in just a handful of sentences, he has told that and he goes on to give tallies of their arguments. At one point he says, um, This was their 33rd spat of the day. This was long after spats and he was behind 13 to 20, but he had made up a lot of distance since lunch when it was 17 to 2 against him. So in just a few words. Yes. The, the author tells us so much about their relationship. That's right.
Micah:I see. This is why I like hanging out with you ladies, because you know, you just bring so much insight, you know, that's one of the things that, you don't pick up normally in the stories. So I am much more conventional in my choice of quotes. So like I say, I actually brought a few because I was afraid that you guys might have chosen one and you didn't choose any of them. So I'm going to go with, the one whenever Wesley and Buttercup are about to enter into the fire swamp and, he says,"Just a few steps more and we'll be safe in the fire swamp. And she said, we'll never survive. And he said, nonsense, you're only saying that because no one ever has". And I just love it. There's so many quotable quotes, but it's just, he's this witty banter, this, this, you know, comedic timing, just like you say, it's, it's got everything. I think it's like encapsulates kind of the movie that has everything. It has romance, it has action, it has comedy. So like, who doesn't love all of that? So that's, that was my quote that I just love because it encapsulates for me, like the whole. I keep calling it the movie, the book. So actually
Melissa:We did love the movie first.
Micah:Right. Right. And actually I was so surprised. I had no idea really what to expect. I'd heard the book was good, but this book brought so much joy to me in reading it. It was just, it was a reminder of like. the pleasure of reading. Yes, we love, we love a movie and you know that's two hours and we can laugh, but a book you just kind of get to sit in it and ruminate and actually it was such, such a pleasure to see how the movie got it perfect, how it took the You can speak up, Kat.
Kat:No, no, no, no. I know. No, no, no. I just, um, you know, I was introduced to the movie first, and I really came in with a little bit of dread, mainly because I had heard that it was boring, and I was like, how can it live up to the movie? And in fact, having read the book, I have some criticisms for how the movie, like, they left out the parents. They left, they, I can understand maybe some of their choices as far as character casting and all these things, but I would have loved to have seen a far more sinister Prince Humperdinck. And, you know, like some of these things that you really get in the book and that you get to sit with in the book. And I, we kind of chose this, you know, our next two novels kind of off the cuff. And I had to remind myself, Kat, you cannot go back and reread that passage for the third time. Like you, you've got stuff to do, girl. So just like, This is a novel that you just enjoy sitting with. Yes. Yes.
Micah:Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, um, this is, so we have our questions that we normally ask in every podcast, but this is a little bit different because again, we don't always have this, such a strong movie adaptation. So do you want to explore that anymore about other differences between the movie and the book? Cause most people will be more familiar with the movie. So were there anything else, anybody? Wanted to bring up regarding that.
Kat:My biggest issue is with Prince Humperdinck, but, I think we'll get into that with some of the other questions. So
Melissa:I actually feel like that. They did do a good job with the characters, the things that you do get to dive deep in the novel, seeing that, you know, Buttercup is not sharpest knife in the drawer or whatever. And also, you know, there's, let's see. And, um, Fezzik, you know, his, his attitude toward himself, like you were talking about, not seeing, it's like just the little glances that we see of the characters in the movie, I feel like they did do a good job giving us at least the flavor for, you know, I remember, I remember, you know Robin Wright having like a confused look on her face a lot and things like that and that, you know, that,
Kat:Yeah, I, I love a good villain. Right. And so I feel like. for the other characters, maybe like getting a hint of that flavor was okay and in some of the characters, I would say in Wesley and Fezzik and Inigo and the Sicilian, and I can't remember what his name is. I think he did a fantastic job with those, but Prince Humperdinck was, he had this brutality about him that I understand why they probably thought we're just going to pluck that out of a family friendly novel, but I think that he, You know, I think that. So in the movie we get a very cunning, rich, privileged, like privileged, rich boy, Prince Humperdinck in the movie. But in the book, he's this like beefy, barreling. Strong, vile hunter who he's very okay with all you see is the six four barrel chested, you know, jock, but he really, he's like, no, no, no, there's, there's a whole noggin up here. And I think that. The juxtaposition that we get with some of the other characters, we didn't get with Prince Humberdink in the movie. So that's my, that's my, that's your little input.
Micah:Yeah. Yeah. All right. Great. Well, um, the next question we have is to identify a moment in the story that you felt stood out with visceral relief and explain what storytelling techniques help that to be a successful scene. So does anybody feel really strongly about a particular scene and the storytelling techniques that helped it to be as successful as it was?
Melissa:I actually loved the scene, where Buttercup is, after the first time that the count and the countess come to the farm and the countess is making googly eyes at Wesley and she's, in her room and she says Buttercup went to her room, she lay down and closed her eyes and the countess was staring at Wesley. And she. Got up and it goes on about, and she closes her eyes again, the Countess is still staring at Wesley and just, I thought it was very well written for, just an anxious female who has seen her, you know.
Laurel:Well, it forced a decision on her part. Right. So it made it effective.
Melissa:Right. It made it effective, but also it was that, that sense of everybody. I mean. Who hasn't had a moment of just kind of nuttiness here. I am confessing again, but nuttiness, you know, thinking about the boy they like, or something like that and seeing them looking at somebody else and imagination just go on.
Kat:And yeah, no, I think that that scene was really great. Because, um, you think about in the modern world, how we're introduced to sexual tension between the opposite sex at a really early age, I actually really love seeing how this very sheltered person is working through the fact that she's like, Oh, wait, maybe I am. Why is it that the Countess staring at him is like, bothering me and like, and I guess with his shirt off, he does look kind of nice. And like, just like a very innocent mind's what getting to, Oh, I think I do kind of like him, you know? And I, I thought he executed that so so well.
Melissa:Well, what I took from it was just how her mind just keeps. you know, going, going, going, spinning, spinning out of control. And that, he took that very specific thing and I felt like he made it universal, like something we can all relate to of anxiety and letting something kind of get out of control in your head or whatever. Or maybe it's just me.
Micah:No, I think that's a great observation, Melissa. Like you said, he took that line. You know, the Countess was still staring at Wesley, like, okay, that's not universal, right? We've never seen a Countess be staring at the boy that we had a crush on in junior high. But you, like you said, you took that thing, but then you're like, oh, but we have seen in our heads where we can't stop thinking about something and we just, you know, illustrate.
Kat:Yeah. And I'll say, I think that what the author does really well in that scene and what this author does really well in the book, and it's kind of what you touched on, Laurel, his use of repetition is flawless. Like he, he kind of knows when it's too much as, as you wish. Right. But like, you know, when it's like, when Wesley says it, you know, it can mean, I love you. It can mean, of course, my dear, he has made this very simple phrase nuanced in it's repetition and even in that scene that you're talking about, Melissa, he uses that same phrase, like to kind of keep the momentum moving forward.
Micah:I mean, talk about repetition. Like my name is Amiga Ventura. Yeah.
Kat:And let's talk about like the power that these things have in the plot, right? So it goes from, you know, my name is Inigo Montoya, you know, it goes from this introduction and it keeps building in suspense until we finally have our moment of glory, right? Where his name goes from an introduction to a threat by the time we get to to plot momentum. And so just talking about, like, I think that's one of the things that I learned and took away from.
Micah:Oh, good. Good. Good. Well, that kind of leads us to the next question, which is what truths about society or the human experience are explored or confirmed or challenged in this novel. So what are some of the truths about the human experience? That you guys picked up,
Kat:I mean, I'll be honest. I really struggled with this question because it's so
Melissa:You made up the question, Kat
Kat:It's so whimsical know, like with other things we can find truths with gone with the wind and with outlander and Pride and prejudice, but I thought princess Bride
Micah:It's not true love?
Kat:No, actually.
Laurel:That was a great scene. That was a great scene.
Kat:No, Micah, thanks. No, it's not true love. Actually, what I thought, and what came to mind immediately was, excellence. And how each of these characters in their tropiness, right? They're all the best of the best. Yeah. And yet, because they're the best of the best, it creates some isolation from the rest of society. You think about Inigo, who becomes such a great swords master, he becomes so bored with life, he turns to alcohol, right, to kind of bring some pizzazz. Fezziki's this giant. He doesn't fit in anywhere. You know, the Sicilian and whatever his name is.
Melissa:Um, Vizzini,
Kat:Vizzini, Vizzini is a, he's a hobbled genius, right? Um, even like Prince Humperdinck, he's the best hunter in the world. So good. The fifth most beautiful woman. There was such an emphasis on beauty here. I was like, what is going on? But so you think about like how their excellence kind of it isolated them from the quote unquote, normal people, and there was something that wasn't fulfilled in their lives until they came into contact with each other. And the lesson that I kind of took away from this was, you know, in a modern Western world, we're not really concerned with excellence. And we're not really concerned about, like, what is that one thing that I, that I want to be known as the best in, but also recognizing that where they fell down was a lack of community. So, you know, I can be the best thriller author out there, but I don't need to be writing in a closet by myself. There's no reason for that, right? So choose what I want to be excellent in and then go find my people because my people are out there. Hmm.
Laurel:That's true. Thank you, Kat.
Micah:Well, leave it to Kat to come up with, with the, the truth. I did not come up with that and I'm sure I also struggled with that question a little bit like you say it's it's really obvious in some stories it's like really I thought this was all about comedy does it have to have a great truth right but I kind of thought it led into the next question which is what aspect of the craft of writing was done exceptionally well in this book? Um, and I think. That actually it's that communal experience. I think that's what's so wonderful about this book. Like, you know, C. S. Lewis says famously, we read to know we're not alone. And so, you know, yes, books connect us with people in the past. But in this case, this book is a story really is a communal experience like the joy of this book is again how it combines all those elements so that we can all quote it to each other. So that we can all sit and share it with our kids after we shared it with our sweetheart after we shared it with our parents. And so that's what he does exceptionally well is he gives us this communal experience that we can all enjoy together. And I think they're so it's so rare. It's so rare to find something like that.
Laurel:Um, I love that. And I think too, that as far as in life, sometimes our, our relationships that connect us are like totally unplanned. They appear to have just happened. You know, and yet we don't want to ever underestimate the fact that some of those chance meetings can be like the richest part of our lives. I mean, they develop into relationships that take us through hard times or funny times or happy times, which is lovely.
Micah:Absolutely. So friendship, actually, that would be a good truth, right? Like you said, to find your people, to find your tribe, to, how about you, Melissa?
Melissa:Well, I actually answered the question. I actually found something in the, in the book. So Buttercup, she's out on her ride right before she gets kidnapped. She is thinking"Everyone had told her since she became a princess in training that she was very likely the most beautiful woman in the world. Now, she was going to be the richest and most powerful as well. Don't expect too much from life, Buttercup, Buttercup told herself as she wrote along, learn to be satisfied with what you have". So you can have everything, but if you don't have the one thing you want, which was true love.
Kat:True love.
Melissa:My writer mind went back to that. I can just see him going back and saying, okay, I have to set up Buttercup's need. I have to set up what, and you know, like going back to that scene and saying, okay. What does she want? What is she thinking about here?
Kat:So, well, and let's talk about, I think that this leads, leads into the fourth question as far as like, what did we. What storytelling technique did we learn or were introduced to? I think he does such a great job about taking a tropey character, such as the flawlessly beautiful woman and making her relatable in a way that really surprises us. So he sets Buttercup up immediately as a girl who really doesn't care about her looks. Even though we get this countdown, you know, she's the 52nd most beautiful woman ever. Only when Wesley leaves, does she start like combing her hair, like only when Wesley leaves, does she start like bathing, like what? And so in this moment, Melissa, that you're talking about where she's like, be content with what you have. Compare Buttercup to Cinderella. Buttercup's over here like, I mean, I'm gorgeous and I'm getting ready to be a princess. I'm gonna be rich and people love me, right? Compared to Cinderella, who's like, I'm over here scrubbing these floors and I would, I would literally probably kill somebody to be in Buttercup's position. But the author makes Buttercup. Her trope, very surprising by having this girl who's almost like, she's like, if I could just have Wesley back, I would give all of this up. Right. Right. And so I relearned the power of incorporating tropes, but flipping them on their head so it's surprising and makes that trope relatable.
Micah:Yeah, that's another, I mean, he does so many things so well, but that's a good example of, he makes this. This dumb, super beautiful woman makes, us root for her. That's really hard. How did he do that? Wow.
Melissa:Yeah. What I feel like I learned is that there is so much power in surprise. And it's late in the book and they're on the, the revenge and Wesley's people are trying to, to save them and, and Princess Buttercup says, we have more than hope, Buttercup said, there is true love, Princess Pierce said. You work your side of the street and I'll work mine. I love it so much because it is, it's just like, you know, here we are, she's in fairytale mode and true love, you know, and he just comes with this cynicism. It, it, it just worked. It works really well to, like you said, turn things on their head.
Micah:So again, if we're going to talk about, you know, again, the skills that he demonstrates in this like witty banter, he's taken it to another level, he may have the Olympic gold medal in witty banter.
Kat:I would give him the Olympic gold medal because from moment one with the parents, I really genuinely was like, you know, we talk about this idea of writing characters. With such a strong voice that you can remove the dialogue tags. I'm like, this is probably the first book that I have read ever where I'm like, take away everything that's not dialogue and I know exactly who's talking right. And do you think he, and he does a really great job of creating expectation of what you think is going to come out of their mouth. And then just when you're like, okay, here comes Wesley with his very like short clip sardonic response. And then he does something totally random and you're like, what? And it's brilliant. I, it William Goldman, go ahead with your bad self.
Micah:Okay, well, I think it's time for one of our favorite features of character roulette. So this is where we put all the characters in a little basket here, and then we pull one out and we talk about that character. So we've got, oh, Wesley, we've got Princess Buttercup, we've got Prince Humperdinck, we've got Magic Man Max, Fezzik, Sicillian Indigo, Um, so who are we going to pull out of here? And it is
Laurel:Fezzik!
Micah:Fezzik!
Kat:Fezzik! Alright!
Micah:Okay, well we talked about him a little bit already, and who would have thought that he's who we would have pulled out?
Laurel:Well, we've talked about Buttercup, and we've talked about Wesley,
Kat:Yeah, let's talk about Fezzik as like a character who is like a change engine for the story.
Laurel:He is. He is. And again, he doesn't expect that about himself. And, and his strength, he makes it funny, you know, as far as like he carried all three of them and they jump out of the window. He just said, jump out of the window one by. One at a time, because I can't catch you if you all shoot at once. But I mean, like, I'll, I would try and he would die trying. So he's really a heroic guy.
Micah:Well, when we go back to the truths explored here, I think one of them that, I mean, yeah, it's hard to know because everything is so tongue in cheek. You're like, okay, well, what is he really saying here? But I think loyalty is actually pretty strongly,
Kat:Yeah,
Micah:illustrate in and espouse and you know, I mean, again, we have with Buttercup and Wesley both saying like seriously No, I'm not gonna take a prince. I'm not gonna take anybody else This is my one person. But then also like Fezzik, you know It's like an indigo and all these people you have all these different groups where they just show loyalty to one another. So I think that Fezzik really does show that that loyalty and also again kind of these human values are what You know, give our lives meaning whenever we have character and we stay true to the things that we believe are valuable.
Kat:Yeah. Yeah, I know. I am. I think one of the values that Fezzik exhibits as a character is the value of belief. And we see Fezzik grow more confident in his belief in himself. Right. But also it's Fezzik's belief that pulls Inigo out of his kind of sprawling depression. You know, Fezzik didn't just see this horrible, nasty alcoholic. He was like, no, my friend, I know you can be better. I'm going to walk with you because I believe in you. Even like with, Wesley, Fezzik was like, He's not dead until I say he's dead.
Micah:You're gonna carry this dead guy.
Kat:We're gonna carry this dead guy around and we're gonna, I'm gonna follow the orders of this half dead guy. Right? I mean, Fezzik really, shows the power of having people who believe in you when you can't believe in yourself.
Laurel:Well, he's very heroic. He's so heroic! He's, yes, he's, and I mean, we, Wesley's handsome and he's wonderful and loyal and faithful too, but wow. Fezzik is just loyal to the core.
Micah:Is he the Samwise Gamge of The Princess Bride?
Laurel:I think that's right.
Kat:Yes, but I think as far as, like, even, you know, character development tips that we can learn from physics. I just really loved that, of everybody's character arc. I think that Fezzik's was probably the most transformational and yet the most subtle. It wasn't like this in your face kind of thing. You know, sometimes I think that we think that character arcs have to have these massive values between point A and point B. I think Fezzik's was just like a gentle curve and you can almost follow these big moments in the plot where the story totally could have changed. Right. If we had left Wesley dead on the table,
Micah:well, this has been a great discussion as always ladies. And, just a little teaser. We've got next time coming up in time for the holidays, Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol. So that should be a really fun one. And, in the meantime, share with us your, thoughts on Instagram, follow us, share with your friends, if you're enjoying it, especially your writer friends, and we'll see you next time.
Laurel:Bye.
Melissa:Bye.
Kat:Bye.
